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       Posted by WHYNOTBITE Posted July 23, 2012 View Comments 222      
I am Mitt Romney and here is why I should be the President
There have been a lot of complaints about the Obama accomplishment blog not allowing criticisms. So, here is a free for all to tout Romney's accomplishments.

by WHYNOTBITE on October 26, 2012
Swingers: Even if you are not with me to keep women in their place and force them to carry gifts of rape to term, here is a very simple reason to vote for me -

The President mocked Unicorns

Horses + Bayonets = Unicorns

by WHYNOTBITE on October 26, 2012

Folks, I am going to win this, but we need to worry about the Senate too. Do you know why liberals go crazy when i talked about my binder?

Here is the binder that we have for the Senate (there is more, but you get the idea)
- President of Senate - Paul Ryan helped invent a new term called "forcible rape"
- Senator Richard Mourdock (R-IN) - telling women to accept the "gifts from God" through rape
- Senator Todd Akin (R-MO) - teaching women that their body can take care of not getting pregnant from rape
- Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) opposes rape exception
- Senator John MacGovern (R-VT) opposes rape exception
- Senator John Raese (R-WV) opposes rape exception

I am proud of this binder on woman's rights. Arent you?

On the other side the binder looks strange (you can figure out what is strange with this list)
- Senator Tammy Baldwin (D-WI)
- Senator Shelley Berkley (D-NV)
- Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA)
- Senator Maria Cantwell (D-WA)
- Senator Cynthia Dill (D-ME)
- Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA)
- Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY)
- Senator Heidi Heitkamp (D-ND)
- Senator Mazie Hirono (D-HI)
- Senator Amy Klobuchar (D-MN)
- Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO)
- Senator Barbara Mikulski (D-MD)
- Senator Patty Murray (D-WA)
- Senator Debbie Stabenow (D-MI)
- Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)

In addition the sissy Kenyan Marxist Muslim liberation theologist is sneakily putting together a binder of his own too
- Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan
- Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor
- Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg

See what i am talking about when i say what is at stake? We cant have this continue

Vote Republican


by WHYNOTBITE on October 17, 2012

You should vote for me because the President is mean. Look what he did to me yesterday. The pink colored comments are our thoughts that Mr WNB captured with his iphone 8.
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MS. CROWLEY:
Governor, if you want to reply just quickly to this, please.

MR. ROMNEY: Yeah, I — I certainly do. I certainly do. I — I think it's interesting the president just said something which is that on the day after the attack, he went in the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror. You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack it was an act of terror. It was not a spontaneous demonstration. (i got you this time. You think you can lie like me? i have been doing this my whole life. I am going to kill your Presidency in this one exchange. You never referred to this as terror. I watched Fox News)

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed. (i get the feeling i am going to enjoy this)

MR. ROMNEY: Is that what you're saying? (i am going to bury you so deep, you stupid Kenyan)

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Please proceed, Governor.(Let me see how much rope i can give him to hang himself)

MR. ROMNEY: I — I — I want to make sure we get that for the record, because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror. (I got him. I said I three times. He is trapped. I am the President)

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Get the transcript. (Oh my. Hopefully after this debate Michelle will give me some. It was 6 days after the first one)

MS. CROWLEY: It — he did in fact, sir. (WTF is going on?. Is Mitt this stupid? If Mitt commits suicide on my show do i have enough liability insurance? Why did i agree to this shit? Let me help him out, move on from there buddy - you got your facts wrong)

So let me — let me call it an act of terrorism — (inaudible) — (Mitt, please move on. Dont dig further)

PRESIDENT OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy? (Laughter, applause.) (Oh Michelle)

MS. CROWLEY: He did call it an act of terror. It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea of there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that. (Why is Obama after me like this. Let us move on. This is embarassing. Hope Mitt can see i am throwing him a rope with that two week bit. Why did i agree to do this job again?)

MR. ROMNEY: (but but but. I used to close many deals at Bain and nobody came up and told me i was telling a lie. It was selling. why are these people mean like this? Where are the locusts when you need them?)


by WHYNOTBITE on October 12, 2012
One of the key decisions that a Presidential Nominee makes is the selection of his Vice Presidential candidate. I searched high and low, and then decided to focus on the low. In the past few years, the only entity that has consistently reduced their approval ratings year after year is the Congress. I decided to tap the "brain" behind the Republican Congress.

See how me made me proud yesterday by talking about the stimulus

BIDEN: And I love my friend here. I — I'm not allowed to show letters but go on our website, he sent me two letters saying, "By the way, can you send me some stimulus money for companies here in the state of Wisconsin?" We sent millions of dollars. You know...
RADDATZ: You did ask for stimulus money, correct?
BIDEN: Sure he did. By the way...
RYAN: On two occasions we — we — we advocated for constituents who were applying for grants. That's what we do. We do that for all constituents who are...
BIDEN: I love that. I love that. This was such a bad program and he writes me a letter saying — writes the Department of Energy a letter saying, "The reason we need this stimulus, it will create growth and jobs." His words. And now he's sitting here looking at me.


by WHYNOTBITE on October 12, 2012
SPIDER: you must be very good at doing the twist ( a Dance )

Hopefully so for the horizontal version :)

Unfortunately, Romney supporters havent contributed much on his accomplishments to the blog. I-am-not-Obama is hardly an achievement, dont you think? 

by SPIDERANDLEGG on October 12, 2012
 you must be very good at doing the twist ( a Dance )

by WHYNOTBITE on October 8, 2012
Please vote for me. You can trust me on my big foreign policy decisions


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by WHYNOTBITE on October 3, 2012
@BERNEL: That is probably the best post summarizing Romney's achievements. Though it is a bit too long and almost postmodern dont you think :)

by WHYNOTBITE on October 3, 2012
ROCK: If you unskew the liberal polls and do redistribution of numbers between columns and read it around 2 AM after a few drinks, you will see that Mitt is actually likeable. Atleast that is what Fox news said.

On today's debate, Andy Borowitz as usual hits the nail on its finger
http://www.newyorker.com/on /blogs/borowitzreport/2012/10/debate-could-test-two-romney-weaknesses-talking-and-thinking.html

by SAPPHOLOVERS on October 3, 2012

     He's made himself the poster boy for why we need to reform our tax laws so the 1% do not pay less in taxes than the administrative assistants or secretaries for a place such as Bain Capital.  

by BERNEL on October 2, 2012

by WHYNOTBITE on October 2, 2012
Please vote for me. I really dont want to do this kind of stuff anymore
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by WHYNOTBITE on September 28, 2012
This President keeps talking about his achievements in standing up to terrorists, bin laden blah blah blah. But does he have the guts to stand up to the US military? I can.

Here is Senator Jim Webb talking about how i was not intimidated by the US military and stood up to them.
 
http://www.politico.com/multimedia/video/2012/09/webb-hammers-romney-on-military.html

"And not only did they pay. They will not say this, so I will say it for them. They are owed, if nothing else, at least a mention, some word of thanks and respect, when a presidential candidate who is their generational peer makes a speech accepting his party’s nomination to be commander-in-chief.  And they are owed much more than that — a guarantee that we will never betray the commitment that we made to them and to their loved ones."

Big deal. Stop weeping. Get over it.

"Those young Marines that I led have grown older now. All gave some. Some gave all. That’s not a culture of dependency"

They are part of the 47% moochers. Why should i redistribute my money to help them?

This was a time of conscription, where every American male was eligible to be drafted. People made choices about how to deal with the draft, and about military service.

Do you know how important it was for me to go to France and convert people to Mormonism?

Vote for the guy who can insult the most powerful military in the world - not some poser who attacks third world terrorists.

by WHYNOTBITE on September 24, 2012
One of my characteristics (some call it features, i dont know why) that few talk about is that i am a man of ideas.

The other day i was at a fundraiser and here is what i said, while narrating the emergency landing that Ann had.

"When you have a fire in an aircraft, there’s no place to go, exactly, there’s no — and you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem."
http://wonkette.com/484977/science-genius-mitt-romney-thinks-airplane-windows-should-open

These scientists (most of them liberal of course) claim that being at 30,000 ft and going at 500 miles per hour is an issue if the windows are open. And oxygen apparently makes electric fires worse too. This is the type of constrained thinking that has led us into this mess.

Has any of these liberal scientists thought about tax cuts for airplane manufacturers as a solution? Obviously not. They dont even understand why that would work.

Has any of these liberal scientists thought about the possibility that if our citizens were allowed to exercise their second amendment rights, they could just shoot holes into the windows?

We need to have innovative ideas. I am the man.

by WHYNOTBITE on September 23, 2012

In my 2011 tax returns i refer to USA as a Foreign Country. Now do you get why i did not thank the troops during my nomination acceptance speech?
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http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/09/21/mitt-romney-calls-usa-a-foreign-country-in-his-tax-returns


by WHYNOTBITE on September 21, 2012
Mitt Romney says he is not qualified to be the President. Dont you think that is an important input for the election?

Or do you just ignore what he says because he doesnt make any sense anyway?

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 21, 2012
Interesting Romneys' 2011 return showed they donated more than $4 million to charity but claimed only $2.25 million.  Supposedly to make sure they paid over 13% in fed taxes to keep in with what he stated was his average paid (on mostly capital gains income).  Perhaps so, strategically a good move since the Democratic Run Press will twist charity into a fault.  Funny how the liberal media outlets are spinning this without mentioning Joe Bidens embarrasingly stingy record and Obama's 1% charitable giving. 

I'm sorry, but shouldn't we be talking about the new jobs report?  The country is sinking into Obama's lost decade and we are hashing percentages with Romney's tax return.

by WHYNOTBITE on September 21, 2012

Mitt Romney's trustee issued a statement today saying Romney overpaid on his taxes by not taking all the deductions legally available.

"I don't pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don't think I'd be qualified to become president"
Mitt Romney, 29th July 2012 http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-david-muir-interview-mitt-romney/story?id=16881787&page=2

Romney supporters: Your guy is saying he is not qualified to become President. We agree with him. Do you?


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 20, 2012
http://www.usatoday.com/money/markets/story/2012/09/20/fed-watches-jobs-reports-you-should-too/57809680/1?csp=34money&dlvrit=110940

Sadly, no liberal spin can make a case for a recovery. Borrow, spend, and the Liberal Job Stork never comes. A liberal would say that we should keep following Obama's failed 'spend like no tomorrow' policy. I disagree.

A recent liberal campaign ad noted that every American baby born today assumes $50,000 in federal debt with his very first breath. I don't think this even includes unfunded liabilities. Somehow the liberal ad wants to blame everyone except the Administration. It sure would be nice if Obama would put his big girl panties on (he can borrow Michele's) and pony up and assume the responsibility of his Presidency. I keep wondering when his swearing in responsibilities will be accepted by the liberal media. It must be nice to assume power, without responsibility or accountability.

BTY, Any liberals buying GM stock these days?

by SPORTFUCKINWIFE on September 20, 2012
Hey LL,

You know what people without jobs found out this week?

That Mitt Romney doesn't think that it's his job to worry about them.  After all, they're part of that 47% who won't vote for him.

LOL

by WHYNOTBITE on September 19, 2012
Take a look at this endorsement and see if you can resist voting for me

"I figure if somebody's dumb enough to ask me to go to a political convention and say something, they're gonna have to take what they get."
Clint Eastwood

I had this guy give a performance in prime time before my convention speech. Arent I smart? If you are not convinced that I am smart, i have a videoclip that can show how i dont understand Venn diagrams. Let me know.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 13, 2012
I'm sure those without jobs do feel like they are on Obama's broken record of promises, from his title album, "Songs to String You Along".

Credit to "The Apartment" for the album title.

by NIPPY6781 on September 13, 2012
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by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 13, 2012
Did anyone talk about the new Jobs Report and Obama's bungling of our economy? 

That is the issue and will re-emerge as the issue.

by WHYNOTBITE on September 13, 2012
A Coptic idiot makes a film, a Christian idiot promotes it, Muslim idiots kill over it, and Republican idiots condemn Obama. And all these idiots of course blame Jewish idiots to have made the film without knowing the facts.

Now, do you see why i kept saying God not being in the Democratic platform is the key issue for this election? Only Fox and my fellow conservatives get that.

Also, to all those people (especially republicans) who say i bungled the response and demonstrated that i am not ready to be the President
- Did anybody talk about my taxes in the last two days?
- Did anybody talk about Paul Ryan's incompetence in the last two days?
- Did anybody talk about us trying to shut down Medicaid to fund tax cuts?
- Did anybody talk about women's rights in the last two days?
- Did anybody talk about how i announced that I like Obamacare and will keep many parts of it?

See, it is all part of a strategy.

by ICARUS88 on September 10, 2012
Public unions are indeed a conflict of interest, if government is run as a private corporation and workers have few legal rights.


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 10, 2012
I think "public unions" are a conflict of interest.

by ICARUS88 on September 10, 2012
 I think that the "business experience" is a conflict of interests.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 10, 2012
"Economists have not found value in the function that vulture capital funds provide, as against venture capital. I agree with you that these are mostly legal things and nothing wrong with them. But the training and learning that Mitt got from his experience makes him uniquely unqualified for the job. Request you to read your post from the perspective that I actually agree with what you said!!"

Why, I agree that's a sound Democratic argument. If people make the judgement that Romney's business experience is not of value or will actually cause him to make decisions contrary to their view of capitalism and the role of the federal government then they should use that information to gather support to their side. Fair political game and I think Democrats are right, if they believe the Government's intervention in GM was good and would like to see more of the same, then that's not Romney.

I just draw the at WH accusations of illegality and I take the counter argument that his experience gives him an understanding that will inform him on decisions that will ultimately help our economic growth. I also take the counter argument that engaging in capitalism, including the disappointing side of closing companies, is a moral and necessary activity that adds great value to our economy. Decomposition is a necessary part of life, it stinks and is ugly, but otherwise we'd be living in a world of dead things piled up all around us.  No thank you.

by ICARUS88 on September 10, 2012
What is legally right or wrong doesn't make something morally right or wrong.

I find it disconcerting that there is so much pro-market dogma thereabouts.

Dogma is akin to faith, a close-cousin to cognitive dissonance. The free-market fanatics seem to be akin to their marxist or maoist counterparts, unwilling to yield an iota, and holding up all other beliefs and even facts to their ideological mantras.

by WHYNOTBITE on September 10, 2012
LL: Economists have not found value in the function that vulture capital funds provide, as against venture capital. I agree with you that these are mostly legal things and nothing wrong with them. But the training and learning that Mitt got from his experience makes him uniquely unqualified for the job. Request you to read your post from the perspective that I actually agree with what you said!!

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 10, 2012
 Why,


I think we're at the agree to disagree.  You list specific things that supposedly makes Bain Vulture, and then can't support actual instances of those specific accusations.  We're back where we started, vulture capitalism is just a phrase to fool those that class warfare appeals.  Maybe something will come later to support this made up idea of "vulture" at Bain, but I doubt it.  They aren't the boogieman, they are just another venture capital company.  I believe we just disagree philosophically and so, unless you find a hard list of supportable activities matching your list, then we won't find common ground on Bain.

BTY, I stand by my statement that buying a company just to break it up is an acceptable aspect of capitalism.  This is not Hollywood's Pretty Woman, it's less dramatic and is more practical and necessary than depicted.

I wish I'd been a part of the Italian deal and participating in legal tax reduction strategies is also acceptable.  The only problem is that the rules of the road are so complicated, few have the expertise to take best advantage of US and other nations tax codes.  Fairer and simpler in the US.

Do employees really matter when discussing the survivability of a company?  Only as strategy to deal with costs and the possibility for reorganization. You have to be humane with laying people off when necessary, but when the market dictates its time then its really just a matter of an humane end, not figuring out how to keep something around that can't compete. But as a decision of survivability I'd say it boils down to profits and long term survivability.  When a company competes robustly and succeeds you get employment and empowered employees, an employee has the least leverage at a failing company.  (Exception:  GM managed bancruptcy managed by Obama.) 

Prosperity is good for everyone and some companies failing is just a part of the process, its baby teeth falling out, old paint being peeled off to get a new coat, its the circle of life.  Bain participated in businesses needing capital, businesses that sometimes had no other choice and no other buyers.  What Bain chooses to do with its asset after it buys it is up to Bain.  You can't start by asking, What's good for employees?  That is the start to the road to failure and high unemployment.   

by ICARUS88 on September 10, 2012
 For posters who wanted a list of foreign policy "achievements", perhaps Gibbon can put things in persective:

"Antoninus diffused order and tranquility over the greatest part of the earth. His reign is marked by the rare advantage of furnishing very few materials for history; which is, indeed, little more than the register of the crimes, follies, and misfortunes of mankind." 

by WHYNOTBITE on September 9, 2012

LL: From what I've seen then Romney acted in good faith as a Venture Capital company.

No. Only in a handful of cases did they act as Venture Capital. Staples is one of them.

Most of the items you listed (short time span with high returns) would not necessarily indicate vulturism, but perhpas just risk. But that aside, the types of things you would accuse Bain of in the "Vulture Capital" list there is no evidence of them doing. When did Bain mislead a banks to borrow with no intent to repay? When did Bain set up more companies for tax purposes than their competitors? There has been no bank come forward to make such a claim against Bain. There have been no tax charges leveled against Bain.

You have missed the point - maybe i was not clear in explaining. It is not just risk.

The most important difference is of course buying a company with the purpose of shutting it down (hence the term vulture) vs for continuing operations and resale. Also, there is a significant difference in how you consider employees. It is only in this sector (and probably small quant shops) that employees do not matter. Mitt's training wouldnt translate to say Manufacturing or Retail.  

Yes there are examples. Given the short term nature of deals and collusion with authorities or banks, it is in everyones interest to keep it quiet. Exceptions are when government is involved. Two such cases here

1. FDIC getting squeezed by Mitt, negotiating based on a threat of shutting down Bain!!
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-federal-bailout-that-saved-mitt-romney-20120829

2. Romney's Italian Job
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-08-06/romney-persona-non-grata-in-italy-for-bain-s-deal-skirting-taxes.html

The reason why he will not release his tax returns are twofold
1. More of the shady deals will get public
2. He most likely used an IRS amnesty for tax evaders in 2009

Even if he does not release his tax returns, and people are not able to find more instances such as the Italian Jobs and Federal bailout of Bain, Mitt's training is not going to go away.

He will omit to mention the troops and war
He will explain that in a laundry list, troops and war they are fighting for us is not important.

Unless he shies away from even giving interviews only to Fox, his character will keep trickling down
 


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 8, 2012
From what I've seen then Romney acted in good faith as a Venture Capital company.

Most of the items you listed (short time span with high returns) would not necessarily indicate vulturism, but perhpas just risk. But that aside, the types of things you would accuse Bain of in the "Vulture Capital" list there is no evidence of them doing. When did Bain mislead a banks to borrow with no intent to repay? When did Bain set up more companies for tax purposes than their competitors? There has been no bank come forward to make such a claim against Bain. There have been no tax charges leveled against Bain. 

I'm left in the same place, the Bain accusation is a hollow political attack.

Now, the vulture capital list looks more like what Obama did with his cronies!

Solyndra? Tax avoidance, what about GE? 


by WHYNOTBITE on September 7, 2012
Rumor is that (these things are all very secret- even more secret than his tax returns) the highest profit making deal that he did (more than a billion dollars) was a deal in Italy that people there considers as defrauding their government.

Not commander-in-chief material based on his business experience, with respect to economy.

Have you considered why MA was 47th in the nation in job creation under Governor Romney?

by WHYNOTBITE on September 7, 2012

Here are the differences. This is based on personal experience of a few years. Someone who has much more depth in the industry may be able to give you more information.

Venture capital companies invest with a time horizon typically of 2-3 years to shape up a company to be sold to other private investors or get them public. Operational improvement, capital restructuring (typically more debt and management fees), synergies with other portfolio companies (management, strategic direction, even shared services) are all levers used to improve company cash flows. They typically look for 5x to 10x returns. These guys are relatively public - Carlyle, TPG, KKR and today's Bain are examples. Continuing operations of the company is critical to the plan.

Vulture capital companies look for opportunities where there are very temporary market inefficiencies and the company is not able to get to capital. The target companies tend to have some inherent value (typically in assets like land). Many times they take over the company's loans and start the squeeze - rates, terms etc. The typical way you get value out of it is through 1) influence with a regulatory agency of government, 2) influence with a large customer segment of the company, 3) additional leverage in negotiations as you are coming in with the position to shut down the company rather than continuing it. Time span is typically less than 2 yrs and 10x to 30x is what you are planning for.

Given this background
- Venture capitalist companies are very interested in the employees, as they want cooperation in turning around the company. Many times venture capitalist firms only put in a few personnel at the top (CFO, COO) and the rest are the original firm's employees. For vulture capital companies, employees are irrelevant, as they do not have much of an interest in continuing operations
- Venture capitalist investments try to get the company to a healthy financial position so that it can be sold in a few years. Vulture capitalist companies are typically seeing a company that is going to be shut down within the year, so leveraging it to the hilt is what they would like to do. For doing that, they need banks to lend them assuming continuing operations. This may look fraudulent, but it is pretty much standard practice.
- Venture capitalist firms take a risk, making bets on competitive strategy, technology, economy, product preferences etc and perform a valuable economic role. There are research papers that have looked at whether vulture capital provides any value and they do not.
- Given the longer term (still only 3 yrs) nature of a venture capital investment, community, local government, employees etc are all important stakeholders. Not as important as the folks who provide the capital, but should be considered. For vulture capitalists there is nothing like that. It is sort of a hit and run.
- Vulture capital firms tend to have huge tax departments, multiple times larger than that of a venture capital firm. This is due to capital struturing and tax avoidance as being primary value drivers. Vulture capital firms routinely set up 50+ companies to just complete one deal. IRS doesnt have people even to understand whether they have evaded taxes.

This is where the difference in training and learning from business experience comes in. If Romney was say in a more traditional business segment, he wouldnt be omitting to mention the troops or the war in his speech. Or if he did omit, it would be more of a gaffe where he forgot. Not something that he thinks is logical.

Anyways, your trial period is over. If you need more info, you need to pay :)

Your observation on staples is good - dig further - why is a 25 year resume only showing a handful? The answer is that he has invested in ventures only a handful of times. The rest were all hit and run deals. Rumor is that (these things are all very secret-


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 7, 2012
Why,

I do get your point on how Romney's business experience would impact his decision making and that differentiates him from Obama; who has made different decisions having come from a different back ground. Obama decisions you and most Democrats consider more humane, which I consider more damaging.

I happen to believe that all of Romney's statements on handling those crises would have been the correct path. And it is right to point them out to people, people should know and understand the different approaches and let the chips fall where they may. IMO, in each instance we'd have been better off having done it Romney's way and, I believe, our economy much further along in recovery.

But again, the attack you repeat on Bain is where I take issue. It's simply false. It's political hogwash.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 7, 2012
None of that describes the ACTIVITY of a Vulture Capital Company vs Venture Capital Company?

What specific purchase, sale, or exit strategies makes one Vulture and one Venture?  You claimed earlier to know the difference.  I've been involved in the disposition of many types of assets, so I should be able to grasp a few industry terms, so please lay it on me.

Here is where I think we've arrived, it's a clever Newt dig, but I see nothing in your write ups describing what activity Bain engaged in that made it Vulture vs another company in the same field that makes them Venture.   Its a manufactured campaign rhetoric to discredit Romney's very substantial business experience and acumen.

by WHYNOTBITE on September 7, 2012
"It's not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person"
“I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours"
Mitt Romney, 2007

From a business case perspective, he has a point. But he misses the impact on people, community and the country. From the perspective of majority of Americans, what he said is stupid.
Mitt Romney as Junk Bond trading company CEO - Maybe. Commander-in-Chief: No

"Let Detroit go Bankrupt"
Again, from a numbers perspective, it probably allocates capital in the most optimal way. But for people in Ohio, Michigan etc who depended on an industry and for American Manufacturing, it is stupid.
Mitt Romney as Junk Bond trading company CEO - Maybe. Commander-in-Chief: No

Let Foreclosures run its course and find its bottom
From the spreadsheet, it looks like that makes sense. But for people who are trying to hang on to their house to be able to send their kids to school, it is quite stupid.
Mitt Romney as Junk Bond trading company CEO - Maybe. Commander-in-Chief: No

Mitt was asked today why he didnt mention troops and the war in his speech at the RNC
"I only regret you’re repeating it day in and day out. When you give a speech you don’t go through a laundry list, you talk about the things that you think are important and I described in my speech, my commitment to a strong military unlike the president’s decision to cut our military. And I didn’t use the word troops, I used the word military. I think they refer to the same thing"
Looking at the powerpoint slide's limited real estate space, maybe omitting mentioning troops and the war they are fighting for us is ok (i cant understand, but whatever) even when you are asking for votes to be the commander-in-chief. For the 1% of Americans who fight for the rest 99% can be on SDC, it is a hard thing to swallow.
Mitt Romney as Junk Bond trading company CEO - Maybe. Commander-in-Chief: No


Hope that clarifies

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 7, 2012
You did not say junk bonds or Bain were immoral or illegal. However you threw the two together along with a point about this "Vulture Capitalism".  And you left me curious as to your position on Junk Bonds and what "Vulture Capitalism" meant.   So we are both in agreement that high yield bonds and venture capitalism that make high risks investments, are both Moral and Legal? I believe they are not only Moral and Legal, but healthy and necessary.

What I'm looking for is the specific activity(s) a "Vulture Capital" company, and specifically Bain, supposedly engaged in?

IOW, what differentiates venture capital and vulture capital such that a person could distinguish the two?


I could agree with Romney on these points:
- Let Detroit automakers go restructure in bankruptcy
- Let foreclosures run their course under current rules and without subsidy or federal intervention;

I have no ideas what this is, "- Let us not worry about bin Laden"; Is that a Romney stated position?

by WHYNOTBITE on September 7, 2012

LL: In the 25 years at Bain, his focus was on Vulture Capitalism, not Venture Capital. There are very few deals that he has done where he felt the need to make it sustainable - Staples is one of them. Highlighting that will not wipe away all those other deals.

I have worked with both types of companies and the differences are night and day. Bain Capital under Romney was a vulture capital company most of the time.

You are throwing up a lot of straw men out there. I did not say Bain or Junk Bonds were illegal or immoral. Can you point to where i did?

To me, it is obvious why Romney wants to be the commander-in-chief, fails to acknowledge the troops or the wars in the speech asking for our votes.

It is his training and learning from an industry that makes him ill-suited for the Presidency which involves worrying about impacts of decisions on people, community and the country. Not just numbers on a spreadsheet.

The same training and learning leads him to ignore the impact on people when he says
- Let Detroit go bankrupt
- Let foreclosures run its course and hit the bottom
- Let us not worry about bin Laden

If i start a company that needs to trade in junk bonds, will i consider Mitt Romney to lead it? Maybe

Will i consider him to be the commander-in-chief? No
 


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 7, 2012
"I have some good quality straw too. Can we do away with that though :)?"

You do realize that basically in the GM restructering we the tax payer got stuck with worse than "junk bonds"?  GM is high risk and low yield; it is going bankrupt.  Romney will get his wish a real bankruptcy, not a fund the Union benefits, stiff the bond holders deal. 

I'm a simple person, you of all people on here know how easily I'm confused.  Please clarify your position on Junk Bonds and how that metaphor or whatever it is relates to Bain.  Romney dealt in failing companies, and high yield bonds deal in below investment grade debt, perfectly relatable.  But how any of that is "vulture capitalism", I can't get my head around - at all.  What illegal or immoral is happening at companies like Bain?

Is it okay for someone to take their own money and invest in a high risk or failing company/bond/stock?
Is it okay to buy a failing company, take it apart, and put its assets back in the market (real estate, equipment, etc)?

All I see is that the vulture capitalism argument is a straw man, fabricated, it has no basis in reality as it relates to Bain or a free market. 

Staples was not worth saving?
Steel Dynamics?
Toys r us?

Below is a campaign site, but I recommend digesting both liberal, non-liberal sources before forming such a radical opinion about legal and moral capitalist behavior.

http://business.mittromney.com/


by WHYNOTBITE on September 7, 2012
LL: Why,  Do you think "Junk Bonds" are a bad thing in our economy?

I have some good quality straw too. Can we do away with that though :)?

Vulture Capitalism is quite different from Venture Capital, Private Equity or Angel Investing. Deals are structured differently. Objectives are different. Exit strategies are different. Operating philosophies are different.

What Romney is stuck with is his training and learning from a small part of capital markets that has a strange set of practices that is at odds with most of the rest of the business world (think - like a gay crossdresser at the RNC). His management practices wouldnt even translate to much of the business world whether it is in Manufacturing, Retail, Hospitality etc, let alone Government.

And that is the training and world view that gets highlighted when Romney gives his prescriptions

- Let Detroit go bankrupt
- Let foreclosures run its course and hit the bottom
- Let us not worry about bin Laden
- ...

If you do a cost-benefit analysis on a spreadsheet from a junk bond trader's perspective, all of his policy pronouncements may make sense. You have to assume markets work all the time though.

But Markets fail (if you cannot believe the reality of what happened in 2008, you may be able to google Milton Friedman's view confirming the same). Government has a role when markets fail, that goes beyond finding the ideal price for the asset.

An American President needs to consider the impact on people, communities and the country in addition to cost-benefit.

Mitt Romney did not mention the troops or the wars in the biggest speech of his career, asking for your vote for being the commander-in-chief. Think about why.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 6, 2012
 Why,  Do you think "Junk Bonds" are a bad thing in our economy?

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 6, 2012
Agree, we're at opposite ends of the voting booth and economic philosophies. Although on social issues my hand will sometimes be forced over to the other side of the booth.  That's okay, I do think people generally want the same results. I assume we all want poverty nearly eradicated, a prosperous middle class, and a larger economic pie for everyone. I'd like see many more wealthy and no more poverty. I do question when Democrats attack profits and free market enterprise, like Bain. Why? Capitalism has made us more free and distributed the wealth like never before.

I don't doubt Obama want to help the Middle Class, I do doubt any of his stated agenda can do it.

I also don't doubt Romney wants to help the Middle Class, I believe his stated agenda can do it.

I don't think Obama is evil, I do think growing government leads to great evils. I'm sure Obama doesn't agree, if he thought growing government would end up bankrupting future generations and keep people in poverty then he wouldn't be doing it. He believes the federal governments role is mostly positive, I believe its mostly just a drain on the economic activity that could be raising all boats.

I know we disagree philosophically, but are you serious about what you said about Bain?

Bain Capital and, companies like it, do not create nothing they are often very important lenders of last resort. Do you have any facts to support Bain never created anything and burnt companies to the ground?   Oversell ends up spoiling any truthful argument that might exist. It's something Obama keeps doing. Romney = inhuman. He comes out and he is in fact a human. Bain destroyed jobs. You Google it, Bain created many jobs under Romney, with many well known companies. Bain bought or invested in failing enterprises and turned them into profitable job creating companies. They had failures, but their successes were far greater than their failures. And all failures were Private Capital. I don't think anyone at a job with a company salvaged by Bain says that Bain did no good.

This doesn't mean capitalism is always good or, by itself, that Romney is qualified to be President. But I see no truth to the Bain attacks that should make someone not vote for Romney.

Aren't there real reasons a Democrat wouldn't vote for him anyway: anti-gay marriage, pro-life, believes in supply side economics, believes in smaller federal government, wants to cut entitlements. Seems like a good enough list for a Democrat without spin, so the spin is to convince independents and centrists.

by WHYNOTBITE on September 6, 2012
Vulture capitalism and its impact on people is obviously horrible as you point out, Sandy. Even more important is that Romney does not get it that Presidency is quite a different job than being the owner/CEO working for your own bottom . A President needs to be thinking of how his decisions affect the people, the community and the country - not just whether it maximizes profits. Government steps in many times to save the people from the vagaries of the free market.

Romney just doesnt get it
Automakers - "Let Detroit go Bankrupt"
Foreclosures - "Let it run its course and hit the bottom"

No mate. If you are a junk bond trader, your views are fine. Not fine for someone who wants to lead Americans.

It is when you fundamentally do not have the country's interest in mind, that Romney forgets to mention the troops or the wars they are fighting for us in the biggest speech of his life, making the case for becoming the commander-in-chief.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 6, 2012

Sandy, I couldn't agree with you less.

"This election is all about creating a compassionate country where all the people share in the wealth of the nation" - "Share" - Doesn't that just mean using force take from one and give to another?  That is not the same as charity, which is really what it is to share.

"Servant Leadership which enables the success of others and not just the 1%" - Obama has been leading from behind, although I'm not sure that is still Leadership. As long as we keep villifying the 1%, the succesful, there is no substantive policy debate. Obama has no plan for fattening the middle class, his only plans of entitlment growth put concrete boots on those in poverty.

"An Equitable Tax environment which rewards investments and innovation" - You don't mean equitable as in equal or flat? You mean a progressive tax rate where one group pays more than another. The top 10% are already paying 70% of the income revenue. So it really means, MORE progressive.

"Infrastructure investments to build a solid middle class" - How much of the Stimulus went toward and made it to 'infastructure"?

"Immigration laws which promote an inclusive "big tent" policy" - Obama failed the hispanics when he could have passed comprehensive refortm when he had complete control, then later with Republicans willing to deal. He subverted the power of congress. I'm all for almost limitless work visas and very high permissable immigration, but Obama has failed.

"AND Community assistance, when needed by our less Privileged citizens." - Like Obama's failure to improve Medicaid or his massive defunding of Medicare? Food stamps instead of jobs is what I see.


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 6, 2012
Democrats revealed at the DNC convention (laugh or cry your choice):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwHihPbzZt4


by WHYNOTBITE on September 6, 2012
Here is another reason i should be elected. As anyone who has worked with management consultants know, you know they bring fresh perspective (it is another way of saying we have no clue). I am offering to bring fresh perspective to the office of the Presidency.

People say a President's primary job is to be the commander-in-chief.

I say BS

A president's primary job is to reduce taxes

Why else do you think in my big speech at the RNC, i refused to acknowledge the troops or the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan even once? You thought it was because the Chair didnt give me enough time?

by WHYNOTBITE on September 5, 2012
SAPPHO: From personal experience i have overwhelming evidence that women are much better in judging pretty much everything.

Am watching the second day of DNC and the contrast with RNC is unbelievable.

by WHYNOTBITE on September 5, 2012

Mitt Romney lost against the empty Chair

http://www.people-press.org/2012/09/05/rnc-highlights-romney-shares-top-billing-with-eastwood/

Chair polled 20%
Mitt polled 17%

as the key highlight from the RNC
 


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 5, 2012

I hate to keep disagreeing with you, but I'm not sure race or sex has anything to do with wisdom and judgement in poltical decisions or otherwise.  Idiots and genuises abound in all races and both sexes. 


by SAPPHOLOVERS on September 5, 2012
 
      Women strike me as so much wiser about judging male candidates for the presidency in this election cycle and in 2008 as well.

        Is this because they are better judges of character and integrity than men or because they have a different set of political concerns or some combination of both?

       I have three daughters, and I would also uphold Hillary and Michelle as role models for them before I would hold up Anne Romney and the various wives of McCain and Newt.

       Frankly, I see most Americans voting for party rather than personality, although personality can make enough difference to make a difference in an election.

       Of course, I also believe that Latinos and African Americans and voters 18-24 are wiser judging candidates for the presidency than older and middle aged white guys (and I'm one of those older or middle aged white guys).


    

        

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 5, 2012
There may be chinks in the armour, ABC poll running the news cycle says that Obama's unfavorable are way up among women. Thinking women want free (already cheap) birth control from religious groups and not a job may have been a mistake.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obama-convention-low-rting/2012/09/04/id/450787

by NIPPY6781 on September 5, 2012
Ultimately women prefer Obama for whatever reason. Seems to me the large majority of people vote for personality rather than politics. Ive also no doubt that in the US people would vote for a three legged donkey if he/she/it represents their preferred party.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 5, 2012
So Nip, they should vote for Obama because of likability and not because of his record on jobs?  Is this because liberals think jobs aren't as important to women as to men?  Or is it that women should vote based on how much they like a person instead of his record on jobs?  Is it because liberals don't think women have the same judgement as men?  Is it bias, or just spin?

I think jobs and the opportunity to start and run a small business is just as important to men as women, so a popularity contest is only relevant to the pundits.

by NIPPY6781 on September 5, 2012
Of course they should and they will...


http://bloggingblue.com/2012/04/12/women-love-obama-and-hate-rmoney/



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by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 5, 2012
 Should women vote for Obama?

Since President Obama Took Office, The Unemployment Rate For Women Has Increased From 7.0 Percent To 8.1 Percent. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, 8/3/12)

Since Obama Took Office, The Number Of Unemployed Women Has Increased By 860,000 To 5.9 Million (5,865,000). (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, 8/3/12)

Since Obama Took Office, The Unemployment Rate For Women Between 20 And 24 Years Old Has Increased From 10.3 Percent To 11.7 Percent. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, 8/3/12)

Since Obama Took Office, The Number Of Unemployed Women Between 20 And 24 Years Old Has Increased By 121,000 To 851,000. (Bureau Of Labor Statistics, 8/3/12)


by SAPPHOLOVERS on September 5, 2012
  
    Romney's most significant accomplishment as Governor of Massachusetts was to create for the state a health care law that became the model of Obamacare.   I like the design for Romneycare in Massachusetts, and I like Romney's concern to make sure that residents of Massachusetts had access to medical care.

   I liked it when Romney was Pro-Choice when he was governor of Massachusetts.

   I think Romney has accomplished something significant in terms of tax reform:  His taxes suggest that something is mightily screwed up in the USA when Romney pays a lower tax rate than adinistrative assistants at Bain Capital.  He has made himself a poster boy for how the rich can take advantage of tax loopholes.   

      Thanks to one of his advisors, he has revived more interest in that wonderful toy:  Etch-a-Sketch.

      He defeated Newt, Cain, Rick Perry, and Santorum for the GOP nomination... if you consider that a big accomplishment.  For me, it's something like the USA winning the Gold Medal in Basketball at the summer Olympics.    Who is the competition? 


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 4, 2012
Icarus,

Please say you're not serious in claiming those sources did "serious" diligence? It doesn't appear they did any diligence and showed no effort to research the roots of the Tea Party movement or its results. Proof is in the pudding, people associated with the Tea Party voted.

Liberals are jealous because they tried to astroturf, confused that is how the tea party was formed, and ended up with the liberal version of drug infested rape camps protected by Democratic Mayors. Bravo.

I do believe Democrats THINK that is how the Tea Party came about. They stood wide eyed wondering how people would just show up to a political event without a promised government entitlement incentive or at the end of a union baton. Ideas matter and people felt the weight of big government in their lives and attempted to pull themselves out of it before they were suffocated. But then the nation got Obama, the economy killer himself pushing the pillow in our faces.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 4, 2012
I turned on the AM today.  Ugh.  Rush made the allegation that DNC attendees were being forbidden to talk to conservative media outlets during the convention within the convention. 

Rush is like Mathews, always in need of fact checking.  

Does anyone know if this is true or not?  I can't find word one about it.  Please don't say you know if you haven't seen anything else reported on it.

by ICARUS88 on September 4, 2012

Look at Obama's rescue package. Over 1/3 of it was dedicated towards non-stimulating tax cuts. The DNC is squarely neoliberal, as is the GOP - particularly the DLC.

As for the Tea Party being astroturfed - seriously? It's considered an epitome of astroturfing around the world.

The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/oct/25/tea-party-koch-brothers

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Tea_Party

You can dismiss the sources, but not their diligence.


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 4, 2012

Calling the tea party astroturf is parroting the most simplistic liberal spin used to discredit a successful political movement. You may wish to do some research on their impact on the mid-term elections. It was a reaction to debt, deficits, over regulation, and high taxes. Liberals will keep trying to rewrite history, but they can't rewrite the mid-term elections. Do you think the Occupy rapists will turn out for Obama during this election?


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 4, 2012
 Icarus,

I think you have the definition of neo-liberal or liberal confused.  Since when did liberals of any stripe support a "flat rate" or anything but a progressive tax rate?  You listed some conservative position and some misinformation about conservative values as a list of neo-liberal positions your against.   Would you please clarify?

by ICARUS88 on September 4, 2012
As for the Tea Party - this was an astroturfed creation of a handful of wealthy individuals and corporations designed specifically to push their agenda in a way that would appeal to lesser lights.

I'd be embarassed as hell to be a part of a "movement" designed and financed to gain certain ends of some manipulators on the basis of blending their goals with my ill-defined ideals through the most cynical manipulation since the comintern.

What does a red-state "libertarian" have to do with the Kochs? Who's in the driver's seat there?

Honestly. It's like that imbecile from America First that ignored news of Dec. 7th while giving a speach against America entering WWII.

by ICARUS88 on September 4, 2012

Which neoliberal policies am I against?

To whit:

- The tendency towards flat-rate taxation, which empowers oligopolies and oligarchy.
- Unregulated free-marketism, that allows multinationals to pick and choose production centers on the basis of countries that treat their workers, and environments, worse.
- The concept that market anarchy is somehow a blessing, in the face of 200 years of experience.
- The concept that markets are self-regulating, in the face of 200 years of experience.
- The concept that without regulation, a hard-working individual has a real chance, in the face of thousands of years of experience.
- The concept that a corporation has the rights, yet not the obligations, and clearly not the mortality (nor the goals), or actual citizens.
-The idea that basic and necessary services, and indeed products, should be in the hands of private enterprise, at the whim of the profit motive, when not amenable to true competition.
- The fact that companies and the wealthy have a far louder voice in a democracy than a mere voting citizen.

Want more?
 


by NIPPY6781 on September 4, 2012
Nice job Clint! lol... I'm absolutely convinced that if Obama did nothing between now and November that Mitt the nit would most likely destroy his chances all by himself.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 3, 2012
 Icarus, which Neo-liberal policies are you against?  Because all I see in your post is neo-liberal economic thinking and talking points.  Including knocking the Tea Party, which shows a simple bias toward the "fly over states" citizens.  The Tea Party emerged and successfully helped elect fiscal conservatives.  Since their inception the Religious Right has begun trying, and in some cases, successfully subverting, the Tea Party tax platform with a Religious values platform.  Sad for us pure fiscal conservatives.

How about a show of hands in support of the Occupy Wallstreet rapists?

Would you rather have your daughter left overnight at a Tea Party rally or in an Occupy Tent?

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on September 3, 2012
Icuras, It's not hard listing ternational achievements, I started a list of Clintons and could have gone on. I could do the same for both Bush's, Nixon, even Kennedy's short term in office.

It's only difficult for Obama, since he has more failures than success. He was naive, going into office believing in a Russian reset, believing if he threw Isreal under the bus he could have success in the Middle East, and that abandoning the value of national security secrets would advance his own political career.

by ICARUS88 on September 3, 2012
 As for the lack of economic strength, I reiterate that I am against neoliberalism - the avowed economic ideology of "both" parties.

However, even Reagan was a Keynesian in moments of economic crisis. Obama tried, in a neoliberal way (fiscal policy outweighed government spending in his anti-crisis package), to prime the economy, but was faced by repub intransigience in congress.

While I would have prefered Obama take the bully-pulpit to get a big enough relief program in place (we need a FDR, not a semi-Reagan casper milquetoast), what he did attain was enough to at least ameliorate the crisis caused by unregulated and corrupt corporate neoliberalism (what Romney aspires to consolidate if elected, as per your ideological gurus in Cato and Heritage).

Adroit political moves by the GOP, I must admit. Taking advantage of the ignorance and partisanship of the electorate in order to sabotage a potus at every step, then pointing their fingers at the sparseness of results. Great to attain power, horrible for the country.

Show of hands - anybody here a follower of the astroturfed Tea Party movement?

by ICARUS88 on September 3, 2012
 "You two keep repeating yourself in different ways, stroking each others opinion of Obama's hollow record."

FWIW, I am no Obama fan. I cannot abide by DINO's and corporate "centrists". Nevertheless, it is difficult to cite foreign policy "accomplishments" when, in most cases, merely not exascerbating inherited bad situations, is an accomplishment in itself. In that sense Obama's been quite successful.

When I was a kid travelling with my parents, I was often surprised to see a picture portrait of JFK in, say, a café in Egypt or Tunisia or Naples or Athens. Obama's certainly not on many people's walls, but at least we don't see many images of the potus being burned in effigy, as we have continually since LBJ's day.

Considering our country's well-deserved reputation in most parts of the world, that is an accomplishment indeed. Deal with it.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 30, 2012
"Why such utter fear of communism amongst Americans? I currently live in Spain, where we have communists, anarchists, socialists, christian democrats, fascists and falangists – a REAL spectrum of political ideologies as opposed to the US’ two shades ofconservative gray. FWIW, ever read the Sermon on the Mount? Utter communism!" -ICarus

Why the fear of communism? 

Simple, because wherever communism thrives, civil liberties die. 

We can allow communists and others of their ilk to discuss their political beliefs, even if their political beliefs would cause our voice to be silenced.  But to elect such people is a mistake if we wish to stay a nation of free people.  I don't want Obama silenced, only retired from serving our nation which does not comport with his values.
 
You may try a few years in North Korea if you really love the results of communism.  How many generations of poverty in Russia?


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 30, 2012
As for a landry list of achievements, the mere fact that US' reputation has grown leaps and bounds since the tremendous mess left by Dubyashould be enough."

You two keep repeating yourself in different ways, stroking each others opinion of Obama's hollow record. I get it, you think that our reputation and Obama's international popularity is VERY important to the exclusion of actual achievements. I really don't care whether or not the US is popular, respected, or even liked. I don't care that Obama will get record breaking speaking fees with French railway unions. I care whether or not US interests are advanced, sometimes that may include being liked, sometimes not. Obama has almost no international achievements because he sees us as one among many nations, not unique among nations. I disagree.

We may all agree that Bush moved us in the wrong direction?  I doubt we agree on the US role in the world. We should not be nation builders. Our military needs to be drastically pulled back from the path Bush set us. Obama has failed to redirect our military toward a more committed US based strategy. He's like Carter, who cut our military capabilities while exercising its excessive use across the globe.  We can best exercise our US values with a strong home based military, committed nuclear non-proliferation, and economic strength.  Obama has been a failure on all three.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 30, 2012
About where I thought, though not as deeply Libertarian as I thought I'd rate me. 
The Political Compass
 

Economic Left/Right: 8.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44

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by SPONGEWORTHY on August 30, 2012
This has to be a mistake...

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I know I am further right than this!

by NIPPY6781 on August 30, 2012
Weseek.. Apologies but I was out buying two dozen golfballs. One for myself and one for a transatlantic flight. The US are firm favourites on home soil and I reckon Europes best chance is to send a few socialist hookers to Tigers room, tell Bubba Watson that he's playin with Jason Dufner and tell Jason Dufner he's playin with Bubba Watson.

by ICARUS88 on August 30, 2012

Whynotbite - Do you doubt that I can read heiroglyphics?


by WHYNOTBITE on August 30, 2012
Smart people take out bin Laden and avoid getting involved in wars in Iran, Syria, Libya, Eqypt etc.

Republicans got us involved in Iraq, would not have gone after bin Laden and will surely get us to more wars (they have been asking for it - we need to lead in regime changes, according to McCain yesterday) in Iran and other places - maybe not in North Korea, as there is no mention of it in the Book.

Icarus: Your comment about Moroni. You read too much. Stop that.

Here is my profile
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by WHYNOTBITE on August 30, 2012
Obama's Bin Laden decision was a decision any president would have made, many of them much sooner, with better follow through. 

"I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours"
Mitt Romney, 2007

by ICARUS88 on August 30, 2012
FWIW, I'm in the lower left-hand quadrant.

I find it interesting that most progressives that I know fall somewhere in that area, while we are not really represented by any political party in any country.

Personal liberties certainly. Social responsibilities are part of, a result of, and a logical consequence, of such desires.

Unless one obviates social responsibilities. At that point one becomes a sociopath.

As for those in the upper right quadrant, I fear that the age of kings died out a long time ago, despite your desire to be aristocrats.

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by SFLFUN on August 30, 2012
Economic left/right=0.88Social Libertarian/authoritarian= -3.59

by STONEMANE on August 30, 2012
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Damn, Im an extremist. :(

by NIPPY6781 on August 30, 2012
Icarus said.."As for a landry list of achievments, the mere fact that US' reputation has grown leaps and bounds since the tremendous mess left by Dubya should be enough.

Otherwise, what are you looking for? China has indeed signed more trade agreements, but China started from a short list while the US has agreements with most of the world as it stands. The Arab Spring, under a different leader, would probably have ended up with further direct US intervention.

US foreign policy has mostly been designed by the CFR for decades, excepting the horrible 8 years when the PNAC nutcases had Dubya's ear. Outside the 8 year hiatus, US foreign policy hasn't really changed between potus', outside the made-for-domestic-use rhetoric."


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by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 30, 2012
The compass should be fun once I get home to the PC. It'll be interesting if I don't end up deep in the purple.

by ICARUS88 on August 30, 2012
 This might be enlightening: http://www.politicalcompass.org/index

by ICARUS88 on August 30, 2012
 As for a landry list of achievments, the mere fact that US' reputation has grown leaps and bounds since the tremendous mess left by Dubya should be enough.

Otherwise, what are you looking for? China has indeed signed more trade agreements, but China started from a short list while the US has agreements with most of the world as it stands. The Arab Spring, under a different leader, would probably have ended up with further direct US intervention.

US foreign policy has mostly been designed by the CFR for decades, excepting the horrible 8 years when the PNAC nutcases had Dubya's ear. Outside the 8 year hiatus, US foreign policy hasn't really changed between potus', outside the made-for-domestic-use rhetoric.

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A question for those who feel that Obama is a socialist - what exactly has he done that is remotely socialistic, outside using Romney's health plan on a national level?

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Finally, food for thought:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid. "
President Dwight D. Eisenhower , in a letter to his brother Edgar on November 8, 1954

What billions spent on lobbying and thinktanks over the years can accomplish!

by ICARUS88 on August 30, 2012
 “Obama is nowhere near right of Nixon. Kennedy was so far right of Obama as to make Obama a communist.”
I suppose that a definition of what right and left might be of help, considering that the fulcrum has shifted so far to the right over the past decades. Ike would be a raging socialist in today’s parallel universe of the American right.

Anyhow, consider Nixon:
-Wage and price controls.
-10% import surcharge
-Support of cost of living adjustments of Social Security
-Nixon announced on February 6, 1974: “Comprehensive health insurance is an idea whose time has come in America…There has long been a need to assure every American financial access to high quality health care. As medical costs go up, that need grows more pressing….Indeed, let us act sensibly. And let us act now–in 1974–to assure all Americans financial access to high quality medical care.”
- Nixon created the EPA.
-Created the Council on Environmental Quality (1970)
-Signed the US Clean Air Act into law (1970)
-Established Earth Week (1971)
By today’s insane GOP/Tea Party standards, a man with such a record would be branded a Maoist.
Then again, there used to be such a thing as a Rockefeller Republican before the GOP went over the edge.

“Speaking of communist, the Kengor book exposing Frank Marshall Davis helps to divine why Obama likes to govern by fait.”
Why such utter fear of communism amongst Americans? I currently live in Spain, where we have communists, anarchists, socialists, christian democrats, fascists and falangists – a REAL spectrum of political ideologies as opposed to the US’ two shades ofconservative gray. FWIW, ever read the Sermon on the Mount? Utter communism!
“He was born a US Citizen, after that all he's wanted to do is fundamentally move America toward Socialist State, and I believe, beyond.”

That’s utterly risible.

“It's interesting those that believe government is a "protector". History has never shown that to be true, government is an oppressor and our founding fathers did everything they could to grant individuals the power to protect themselves.”

That’s simply a logical falacy or a confirmational bias. It indeed applies to any authoritarian government, but shows an absolute disregard of democracy. When the people select their government, there can be no long-term oppression; people can vote out oppressors.
“And now we have so many cheering and handing away their liberty with some candyland idea that those in government are cut from a better cloth than the rest of us. They'd rather be ruled by regulation than their own personal responsibility.”

That’s a red herring. I am a social libertarian and recognize that in a dog-eat-dog world, where corporations and other entities wield so much unelected power, the people need a tool to protect themselves. A tool that can be controlled from the ballot box.

“It's a shame our liberal arts degrees has filled this nation with so much puff and fluff.”
It is a shame that your education didn’t provide you with the capacity for critical thinking.


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 29, 2012
Sandy,Thank you for raising the debate! Yes, agree Obama is popular and even enjoys respect internationally. Complete agreement, I just keep asking, what's it got us? I used Clinton as an example of a laundry list of international achievements. How has Obama used this respect to achieve US National Security interests? I'd put forth he hasn't. It's image over substance.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 29, 2012
I get goodwill and reputation, the personal popularity of the President, but I asked you about US national interests under Obama. You may argue his personal popularity gave a reflective glow to the US reputation, which then resulted in our national interest agenda being forwarded. But you didn't and you can't prove that it did. Your arguments were weak, you failed to supply any support, and you failed to detail even a single international accomplishment under Obama.

Then when you can't support your argument, you repeat a general claim (Obama Popular!), then you go personal, then you claim I'm a "hater" for disagreeing, and then you claim you had the right to go personal based on the fact I objected to your supposed superior liberal philosophy. 

All that was proved is that you can't hold up in a civil debate.

by NIPPY6781 on August 29, 2012
Unbelievable! You still cannot grasp the concept of goodwill and reputation and what comes with that? You're only reinforcing my claim that youre just a hater and won't give the man an ounce of credit for anything I have out d below. You're so called "ideas" are nothing more than partisan right wing rants. Away with you Okie! :-)

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 29, 2012
Still no answer on what Obama has accomplished. He's popular. When lacking accomplishments, attack Bush.  Obama playbook.

And you still go to the personal attacks when your arguments fail. Classy. You keep thinking you know me, you want me to fit into one of your stereotypes. Military Yes. Only travel or time over seas, No. Lived in a foreign city. Yes.  And by the way, there are plenty of wonderful, charitable, kind, and classy people that haven't lived in another country and that may not have ever traveled from their home city.  Doesn't make them ignorant.  But what does it make you that you think you're cut from such a better cloth than these people?

I attack ideas, you attack people.

I have already apologized to the board for getting in a cursing gutter match with Sport, lesson learned - don't sink to your opponents level. 

by NIPPY6781 on August 29, 2012

"Hater how so?"

I can smell it. It stinks! Obama may not be a huge success at home but at the very least he deserves great credit his Healthcare reform.

 

“Obama is popular, Rock Star Jesus”

 

“European Debt Crises?  Failure”....Wtf are you bshiiting about? How in the name of fuck do you exoect Obama to solve a European ecnomoic problem when he’s already in the midst of trying to solve your own?

 

“Afghanistan..great job in spending more lives and more money, but a failure to achieve any goals of consequence” ...Funny how you people forget the biggest lie of 'em all and the hundreds and thousands of dead innocent Iraqi people as a result of the previous fucktards invasion. Swept under the carpet? Funny how you also conveniently forget to mention the thousands of dead US soldiers as a result of that mess. Yet now you conveniently want to divert the attention to Afghanistan and you want Obama to take all the flak for that. Youre a fickle fickle bunch. Lets also not forget that it was under his watch that you finally got Bin Laden hiding in his own back yard.
Btw, To a large extent, it was Obama’s anti-war stance that won him the Democratic nomination. A month after taking office, he said the combat mission would end by August 31, 2010, with a transitional force of up to fifty thousand soldiers remaining in Iraq until the end of 2011 at the latest. This timetable was carried out successfully: the last U.S. combat brigades rolled into Kuwait in August, 2010, and the final members of the transitional force left on December 18th of last year, following a breakdown in negotiations about maintaining a U.S. presence.

 

 

“He was born a US Citizen, after that all he's wanted to do is fundamentally move America toward Socialist State, and I believe, beyond”...The words of an ignorant okie hater.

 

“With a President like this, who needs enemies?”...Classy!

 

“First, you are a fucking idiot, so its hard to just make up something else to call you”...Its clear you can get politicaly excited sometimes.

 

I've been observing your bs and agenda for the side s for a while and although you occasionally seem grounded, its clear youre poisoned. I could go on and on…

 

 

“I've been to countries throughout Europe and the Middle East, no visits to Asia” Let me guess, You were in the Military and lived in the US military bubble? 

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 29, 2012
Clinton stopped the killing in Kosovo forging the first of its kind Nato alliance. Clinton negotiated the removal of Russian troops from the Baltics. The list goes on encompassing everything from free trade to strategic alliances. Somewhat quitely as Presidents go, but expertly, Clinton moved the bar forward for the US both with regard to our security interests and our trade interests.

The reason you stay general is Obama has no credible record of accomplishments. It's typical of liberals to confuse good intentions with success. People are not ignorant because they can't read your mind, give me a hint of what Obama has accomplished besides giving away our leverage with Russia before he even starts negotiating?

Hater and Okie?  Hater how so?  My region of the country offensive to you?  Because I disagree?

In case much of my sarcasm was lost on you, we'd generally be considered well traveled - having lived overseas and having traveled for months at a time. I've been to countries throughout Europe and the Middle East, no visits to Asia. Lived on both coasts and states in between. We have a weakness for Europeans, they have an attitude that is extremely attractive to us. We'd like to bottle it and sell it to Americans.

You may want to reconsider your regional biases. Just because people don't agree with you, doesn't mean they're not well traveled or well educated. Hating people for where they live is not very admirable.

by NIPPY6781 on August 29, 2012
Yep, definately a hater and an Okie

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 29, 2012
Now I understand, "goodwill and respect" = Speaking Fees.  Sorry, I didn't read between the s.

by NIPPY6781 on August 29, 2012
So, just to repeat "Failing to see the obvious advantages of dealing with nations both economically and politically that have respect for the US obviously goes over your head. You also seem to have difficulty understanding the long term value of goodwill and respect"

Which part of that concept is it you find difficult to understand?

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 29, 2012
Just looking for specifics, if its so obvious, why not rattle of a little of what he's accomplished at an international level?

I listed the failures, how about a few of those advantages you mentioned?

Clinton wasn't known for his international expertise, but he has a pretty good list of accomplishments respected by both liberals and conservatives.  Some conservative attacks, but some credible accomplishments.

by NIPPY6781 on August 29, 2012
"So in other words you're saying Obama has accomplished nothing with his so called reputation improvement?"

Agh, the old 'Putting words in my mouth' technique. Spare me please. Failing to see the obvious advantages of dealing with nations both economically and politically that have respect for the US obviously goes over your head. You also seem to have difficulty understanding the long term value of goodwill and respect? One doesnt need to be a genius to come to a natural occasional conclusion that many here are ignorant, "okies" and would get a nosebleed if they stepped out from the centre of their stars and striped Universe. I'm not suggesting he's the Jesus or Rockstar but he's done a Lazarus in terms of US reputation.
Would it really kill you guys to give the guy an ounce of credit for even that? Naah, it goes against the unhealthy US political divide and stubborn grain.



*twit twoooooo..Come out come out wherever you are..lol*


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 29, 2012
You obviously don't travel much." - Nip

Okay, I still don't have my Zen and this was so small I should have just let it pass. After all its hardly a slam, certainly not anywhere in the category of the curse filled gutter attacks that Sport enjoys, nor is it remotely in the vein of the name calling Rock relishes. Nevertheless, I'd like the link to the on course that Liberals take to learn to weave their responses with denigrating remarks when their talking points are challenged.

All I can say is that if a person finds it necessary to attempt to diminish someone else in order to lift their own argument, then they may wish to consider the strength of their argument.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 29, 2012
So in other words you're saying Obama has accomplished nothing with his so called reputation improvement? Trade deals? Middle east friends or peace? Non-Proliferation allies? Sure Nip, head down the personal route, we're just Okies, having never been to France, Greece, Crete, Germany, Turkey, Isreal, Italy, and many more. Obama is popular, Rock Star Jesus, but that doesn't make him a significant world leader or mean he's accomplished anything,Rather than just saying we're not well traveled and therefore our opinion is suspect, how about you help me please understand Obama's international resume?

by NIPPY6781 on August 29, 2012
Gimme a break LL. theres a big difference between hardball and utter dumbfuckery. You obviously dont travel much. You were the most hated nation on Earth during Bushs reign mainly due to his stupidly and his fuckup/lie in Iraq. Obama has at the very least worked hard in restoring some goodwill whatever about your hatred for him back home.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 29, 2012
What reputation recovery? What has Obama accomplished with this so called reputation?This isn't high school drama, it's international hard ball, and the only thing Obama has shown the world is weakness.

by NIPPY6781 on August 29, 2012
Sens...I know the haters blood pressure gets all aggressive but it's a fact that Obama has done well with the international community in restoring respect. That other fucktards handy word will be around long after you and me are way gone. People should be regularly reminded to avert it ever happening again and I'm just the man to keep y'all on yer toes :-)

by NIPPY6781 on August 29, 2012
LL...More impoortant internationally than anything else, Obama has dragged the reputation and hatred of the US out of the gutter and restored a heap of respect that was totally lost by the previous idiot. That's a no brainer.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 29, 2012
Do I understand the point to be that we should have no civility in politics because of the Joe Wilson outburst or is the point that all Republicans are not civil because of the Joe Wilson outburst?  I think you're reaching for an argument.  On topic, Obama has failed.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 29, 2012
Joe Wilson did not show good graces, but you can't find much in the way of good graces on either side of the aisle. Rehashing the Democrats behavior toward Bush would be pointless. Nor is it worthwhile to cover the crazy lies of Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi. Nor is it worthwhile to cover Obama's poor graces and unprecedented demeaning of our Supreme Court. Nor is it worthwhile to cover the constant race baiting and race pandering by almost every Democrat. UNCHAIN! All of that's a distraction from the simple truth that Obama has failed as a president.

Failed on his promises for foreign policy.
Failed on his promises about the economy.
Failed on Hope and Change - the soaring rhetoric of bringing America together was replaced by one sided politics.

Obama controlled our entire legislative government for two years, he got everything he wanted, and he never allowed the Republicans a voice or a seat. Obama, you're no Clinton.

The Democrats wanted payback after Bush, despite the fact that we forget all the Democrats that were behind the wars. At the time it was a politically beneficial for our elected officials to be warmongers. So both sides played at sharpening their swords.

But I don't want payback, I'd like to see the Republicans and Democrats look at our debt and deficits and do something about them. Obama is not capable of bringing our nation together, that is a fact, he can only govern by fiat and single party control. Without executive orders or full single party control of government he is incapable of accomplishing anything. That's a fact, that's proven by his time in office. Blame, but we know he can't lead.

by SFLFUN on August 29, 2012
LL, right on point. The Obama and progressive agenda is for government to do everything for everyone. His you didn't build that is a case in point. Obama had a view of government, the republicans have a view of government and that's why this election matters.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 29, 2012
Obama's record in international politics is a list of failures, with the Osama Bin Laden raid thrown over the entire mess to make him look competent.  And is it turns out, Obama ordered the raid, but not in an act of decisive leadership, but after his cowardly self was backed into the corner.

Obama's Bin Laden decision was a decision any president would have made, many of them much sooner, with better follow through.  Since Obama allowed our friendly agents to be thrown in jail, and with typical administration bungling caused the loss of other high value targets and more intelligence than can now be measured, you really have to give Obama a C- on the Osama Bin Laden Raid.  Military A+, but of course Obama is now being attacked for his bungling by the very lives responsible for the successful raid. 

Russia Reboot?  Failure.
European Debt Crises?  Failure.
Iran nuclear non-proliferation?  Failure.
Arab Spring?  Failure.
Expansion of Ware in Afganistan?  Successful expansion of the war; great job in spending more lives and more money, but a failure to achieve any goals of consequence.
Isreal/Palestenian headway?  None.

I can say he's doing a good job of staying out of the way in Syria.  Kudos.

 

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 29, 2012
Obama is nowhere near right of Nixon.  Kennedy was so far right of Obama as to make Obama a communist.  Speaking of communist, the Kengor book exposing Frank Marshall Davis helps to divine why Obama likes to govern by fait.  Once you look at who Obama surrounded himself with it all becomes clear.  Since liberals were busy last time rubbing out the thrill running up their legs last time around, it would serve us to vet him a little this time.  He was born a US Citizen, after that all he's wanted to do is fundamentally move America toward Socialist State, and I believe, beyond.

It's interesting those that believe government is a "protector".  History has never shown that to be true, government is an oppressor and our founding fathers did everything they could to grant individuals the power to protect themselves.  And now we have so many cheering and handing away their liberty with some candyland idea that those in government are cut from a better cloth than the rest of us.  They'd rather be ruled by regulation than their own personal responsibility.  They have so little faith in others that they want civil liberties restricted.

It's a shame our liberal arts degrees has filled this nation with so much puff and fluff. 

by ICARUS88 on August 29, 2012
I've never understood how the mantra of "small government" has caught on in the US (nor the popularity of that sociopath that was Ayn Rand).

It is clear that the private sector cannot supply all of the services traditionally provided by government in an efficient manner. This is especially true of those services in which competition is not viable.

The problem isn't the size of the government but the quality of the same.

Perhaps the crux of the biscuit is precisely what the role of government is. For the rw libertarians, government should be limited to defense and little else, while centrists would like to see government improving the living conditions of the majority of citizens. The backers of the former tend to be the "1%" and corporations, of the latter - citizens with the wherewithal to perceive social injustice.

Well, some of the Randites should consider the Polybian term of anacyclosis. It was originally applied to the evolution of political systems, but can be applied to private enterprise just as well. Private enterprise is corrupted in much the same way as governments are - and in a society where corporations have all of the rights - and few of the responsilities - of living human beings, a central role of the government MUST be to reign in their power.

The Randite/Libertarian memes are invariably the product of such thinktanks as Cato, Heritage, AEI, and the like - all generously funded by major corporations and wealthy manipulators such as the Kochs, Scaifes, etc. They most certainly have something to gain in pushing these concepts, and have the capacity to instil the cognitive dissonance necessary to convince people to vote against their own best interests.

Or was it Moroni?

Obama is to the right of Nixon, forchrissakes, and the US right would paint him as a socialist.

Incredible.


by NIPPY6781 on August 29, 2012
LL.. You also forget one very important fact. Bush managed to drag the reputation of the US down the toilet. During that period I have never seen such widespread global hatred of America from all sides of the divide. Obama has done a fantastic job abroad in patching that up and restoring a lot of goodwill. The US needs the world every bit as much as the world needs the US.

by WHYNOTBITE on August 28, 2012
Explicit image available, join sdc.com to viewLL, These states are states where Republicans control the government and supply side rules

The results of their policies is what you see on the left.

With Republicans controlling all levels of government in these states, enforcement of regulations are virtually nonexistent.

The results are what you see on the left.

During the Bush era, the situation worsened ending in the worst recession since great depression (of course nowadays Republicans are saying it happened during Obama)

Ryan plan is a good blueprint to take the country in the same direction as these great Republican states.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 28, 2012
 Nippy,

I agree up to the point where you imply Obama helped clean anything up.  I have seen nothing of the kind.  More war, more debt, more regulations, more unemployment, more poverty, less civility.  We desperately need small government leadership that understands the cost of both wars and entitlements.

by NIPPY6781 on August 28, 2012
"We can only hope that people start to consider the course of our nation and what we intend to pass on to the next generation"

I wouldn't count on it. It's a shame the "people" didn't consider that scenario when your previous 2 term Commander in chief proceeded to destroy the lives of millions of people abroad and at home, not to mention the waste of a universal load of cash doin it. Generations will have to pay for that, not just monetarily. Obama and many more future US presidents will still be cleaning up that mess when we're all long gone.

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 28, 2012
 Whynot,

Once you dig into the numbers you can see how Obama has grown poverty in our nation along with the need for government services. 

I could see Obama still winning, he has one of the strongest coalitions of special interest groups ever purchased by any party.  It's a shame that most of those interest groups get a tax payer gift in one hand, while their liberty and prosperity is taken with the other.

We can only hope that people start to consider the course of our nation and what we intend to pass on to the next generation.  Four more years of Obama and we get four more years of the same reckless deficit spending, crony capitalism, and run away government regulation.

by NIPPY6781 on August 28, 2012
I think "most Americans" think Obama will win because those asked cannot see how anyone of sound mind could vote for Mitt the Nit. Surely to Jaysuz there can't be THAT many people in America not of sound mind?! Oh hold on...

by WYLDNXTC on August 27, 2012
http://www.gallup.com/poll/156914/americans-predict-obama-win-2012-election.aspx

Interesting article on Gallup today. Most Americans think Obama will win again.

Not sure why my links aren't clickable. Must be a Firefox thing.

by WHYNOTBITE on August 27, 2012

Take a look at this table
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Are you surprised that these are also the states where Republicans have the largest majorities?


Dont you think you should give us a chance to complete the job that George Bush started, and turn rest of America to a similar fate?


by WHYNOTBITE on August 27, 2012

UPDATE at the end of the report
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Officer #420: It was clear to me that the two guys i picked up next to Mr Romney's La Jolla residence were clearly on drugs. Here is their exchange that i recorded as supporting evidence

Chong: This is fucking awesome man. Cant you see it? - There are cars on elevators
Cheech: What the fuck are you talking about man?
Chong: Dude this stuff is too good. I see Cadillacs, 20 of them going up and down on elevators
Cheech: Wow. That is awesome. Look, is that a horse on top of those Cadillacs?
Chong: Yes it is man. It is dancing. Why is it dancing on those Cadillacs? It is cute though.
Cheech: Look at that underwear man

At this point, i intervened and took them to custody


UPDATE from Officer #420: On our way to the station we saw another caddilac with a dog strapped to the top of it. I swear i did not take any drugs and it was real. Given this new development, i decided to believe the two suspects and release them


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 27, 2012
http://reason.com/archives/2012/08/26/when-liberals-misread-bastiat

For those that don't know the name bastiat, this Reason article gives you a convoluted introduction.  The last paragraph does an excellent summation of the relationship between private and 'government' spending.

by WHYNOTBITE on August 26, 2012

http://reason.com/blog/2012/06/06/mitt-romney-once-harangued-a-neighbor-fo

Mitt is a man of action. He found a guy smoking pot - demanded that he stop. Mitt called the cops too. Mitt's opponenent has even admitted inhaling. Case closed.

On my personal investigation, here is what i found from the case report.

Officer #420: It was clear to me that the two guys i picked up next to Mr Romney's La Jolla residence were clearly on drugs. Here is their exchange that i recorded as supporting evidence

Chong: This is fucking awesome man. Cant you see it? - There are cars on elevators
Cheech: What the fuck are you talking about man?
Chong: Dude this stuff is too good. I see Cadillacs, 20 of them going up and down on elevators
Cheech: Wow. That is awesome. Look, is that a horse on top of those Cadillacs?
Chong: Yes it is man. It is dancing. Why is it dancing on those Cadillacs? It is cute though.
Cheech: Look at that underwear man

At this point, i intervened and took them to custody


by WHYNOTBITE on August 26, 2012
Mitt is now trying hard to make his mormonism an issue in the election.

As a very high ranking leader of the Mormon Church, maybe he can finally clear it up for me why the Mormon Church baptized Anne Frank multiple times.

by NIPPY6781 on August 26, 2012
Mitt Romney on Lance Armstrong: Fuck you, France, I don't care if he was riding a Harley, we're America and we never apologize

by WHYNOTBITE on August 23, 2012
I have come to know from highly placed sources that Romney-Ryan is going to get a pretty nasty October surprise

Groupon is suing Romney-Ryan

Their claim is that the voucher programs that Romney-Ryan is proposing for Medicare, VA, Education, homicide investigations etc closely mimics the Groupon model that is patented. Groupon is claiming IP violation and wants a cut from every voucher that is issued.

Since this leaked earlier, Romney-Ryan is hopeful to figure something out. So far it has been quite difficult because the Bible and the Book of Mormon have been unhelpful. Ryan was seen throwing the Bible in disgust when he was looking for an answer and instead came up on what he saw as a personal insult referring to his plan for Medicaid -

Matthew 25:45

"He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

by WHYNOTBITE on August 22, 2012
Mitt Romney says he is going to create 12 million jobs

Chinese are protesting  
????. ???????????????????

by WHYNOTBITE on August 22, 2012
WSY: On the topic of money in elections. As a liberal i found Citizens United deplorable and the twin principles that Corporations are People and Money is Free Speech something that should have been in theonion.com than in a Supreme Court judgement.

But lately i am having a change of heart.

If vested interests are going to buy the government, isnt it time that they paid a fair price for it? And what better method to make them pay than let the free markets go at it. So, if Koch brothers want to pollute and defund EPA, or Hedge Funds want to keep carried interest loophole, let us have them fund the campaign. In the process many jobs are created.

Isnt this actually the perfect thing? A sort of stimulus plan completely supported by the very rich?

by WHYNOTBITE on August 22, 2012

LL: Thank you


by BANDBEA on August 22, 2012
I am Mitt Romney and you people need to understand....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcZ9ku_wInw


Cheers
Bill....




"I want Rustlers, Cut Throats, Murderers, Bounty Hunters, Desperados, Mugs, Pugs, Thugs, Nitwits, Halfwits, Dimwits, Vipers, Snipers, Con Men, Indian Agents, Mexican Bandits, Muggers, Buggerers, Bushwhackers, Hornswogglers, Horse Thieves,? Bull Dykes, Train Robbers, Bank Robbers, Ass Kickers, Shit Kickers & Methodists."
Hedley Lamarr


by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 22, 2012
LL: Are you seriously claiming that Barack Obama leaked info about Stuxnet?


Seriously. Common sense says it is the President himself who authorized the damaging leaks for calculated political gain. Only the President could declassify Oylmpic Games (Stutnet program code name). Presidential meetings are held in the Situation Room because they involve our most sensitive security secrets. Sanger, the reporter who broke the story, said himself that his source for the “highly classified program" was the White House. As far as I can tell nobody has been discharged from the White House. Whom did Sanger get all this from? Who do you think leaked it, Obama himself, White House Aides, or Obama's own national security team? We're talking a handful of people are in Obama's inner circle.

The President was able to say simply that he declassified the material and then no law was broken then. Until then it's treason at our highest level of government. I suspect he will claim after the election, one way or the other, they were not leaks but that the material was declassified. Then all we have is unprecedented declassification of active programs, personnel, and secrets.


by 4UREYZONLY on August 22, 2012
 TONIGHT1 summed it up quite well and I agree.. It's time to move on because the current President HAS failed!

by WHYNOTBITE on August 22, 2012
TONIGHT: I agree with you that this blog on Mitt Romney's accomplishments is struggling. No one is able to come up with anything that shows him in a positive light.

If we dont have any accomplishments to talk about, can we talk about what he is planning to do? Me being an Obama supporter cannot do justice to that.

Why dont you tell us why you are voting for Mitt Romney, ignoring what he brings to the table, but based on his plans for the future?

ps. I love your taste in cars

by TONIGHT1 on August 22, 2012
 Why is there a blog to comment on Romney's accomplishments. When Obama ran in "08, did he run on his accomplishments? He ran and won on his vision and the way he communicated it to the American people. The majority believed him and shared this vision of Hope and Change. Now that he has failed miserably, we should give the next guy a chance. We already know the current President has failed. No hard feelings, just move on to the next guy. In my opinion, and I am just one American. It would be impossible to exceed this President's failure's. I'm sure he gave it his best. But the job's not for everyone.

by WHYNOTBITE on August 22, 2012
Barack Obama did not order the killing of Osama bin Laden

Mitt Romney did in 2014, retroactively. He knows how to do that. You guys dont understand.

by WHYNOTBITE on August 22, 2012
LL: Are you seriously claiming that Barack Obama leaked info about Stuxnet?

by LAUGHINGLOVERS on August 22, 2012
"Barack Obama...YOUR PRESIDENT...gave the green light to taking out the orchestrator of the most heinous crime on US soil, Osama Bin Laden." 

And then our President''s White House went on to reveal information about his direct role in the use of drones to target high-level terrorists, expose the SEAL team and details about the raid itself, and then leaked details about the Stuxnet virus used by the United States to sabotage Iran's nuclear program.  Sources are clearly stated in the leaks themselves to be from a high level White House source, which means a handful of people. 

With a President like this, who needs enemies?

by WHYNOTBITE on August 22, 2012
Can we change the topic now and focus on some of my other achievements please? This rape thing is not going well with women.

Let me give you a distraction from rape. Paul Ryan's brother used to work at Bain. He was then a senior executive at a company that one of my friends at Bain started. Bain invested in that company. I owned Bain (unless you think i am a felon and falsified SEC documents). As the Governor of MA, i sent millions to this company. And it worked out well, we were able to sell the company and make out like a bandit (no no, not the Zoro kind making out in a mask, take your mind out of the gutter).

Liberals claim it is an ethics violation. But my base knows this is real life. When you are in politics and in positions of power, we channel funds to our investments to gain from it. These liberals are just jealous and they hate the rich.

Can we stop about this rape thing now?



by WHYNOTBITE on August 20, 2012
Just like the next Republican Senator from Missouri, my VP pick knows that there are rapes that are legitimate and there are rapes that are not. The difference is Ryan does not say it out loud like that.

But Ryan opposes abortions in cases of rapes and incest and has voted multiple times on it.

by WHYNOTBITE on August 13, 2012
I have picked the best VP ever
- He will cut my tax rates to less than 1%
- He knows poor people need to pay up so that we can have our life too
- Ryan does not like Medicaid or CHIP. Poor people are poor due to their choice and capability. They dont need to be supported by society. Medicaid and CHIP are not programs that should be there.
- If seniors know how to play bingo, they can figure out how to use Medicare vouchers.
- He is strong in his beliefs. Liberals love to talk about women's right to choose and all that and bring up incest and rape. They dont understand that if they have sex, they need to suffer consequences. Ryan knows.
- Romney-Ryan ticket is strictly soft swap. Swingers, if you are afraid the condom may break, use two at a time, maybe three. Plan-B is murder
- Dont even get me started on his stellar fiscal record. He has voted for around 4-5 trillion in increased deficits. My point it, born-agains are the best Christians, you know


by WHYNOTBITE on August 8, 2012
I could be (you will never know, because i am not telling) the only President in history to have availed of an IRS amnesty program for tax evaders.

IRS had come up with an Amnesty program called FBAR. Some cute kid must have come up with that acronym - as you know it is slang for Fucked Beyond All Recognition. Their aim was to force people like me to disclose foreign bank accounts. I didnt. Then based on all this terrorism shit Obama administration forced Swiss Government to provide details of the accounts, so i was forced to come out with it and i filed it.

All this happened in 2009. So even McCain who got my returns till 2008 has no clue. He is thinking i am hiding my taxes because i paid single digit rates. lol.

FBAR my friend, FBAR.

You may say how will you know this is all true? Maybe it is all made up. Ha Ha. You will never know. You think i am going to release my returns and say i availed of an amnesty program from IRS. I may be acting stupid during this campaign, but i am not that stupid you know.

by PGXCOUPLE on August 4, 2012
@Dragon - totally agree with you.  Some people prefer to stay blind and think/hope that the current President has any capability to accomplish one thing right.

The Republican candidate doesn't make it easy to show Obama the way out unfortunately. Somehow I feel like my options are being shot in the leg or being shot in the arm.

So here is a list of Obama's accomplishments for further discussion:

1....
2....
3....
4.... (Still busy thinking about #3)

Once again, thank Barack Husseim Obama for....nothing. No, I correct myself. Thank you for fu...ing up America.

by WHYNOTBITE on August 4, 2012
Why is it that all the Romney supporters' posts on a blog about Mitt Romney's accomplishments are still about how they hate Obama and not about why Romney should be the President?

by WYLDNXTC on August 3, 2012
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by DRAGONSROSE on August 2, 2012
Obama on one hand, Romney on the other?? WOW what a choice to run our beloved country! And all the other politicians still being bought off by big business and these are the best we have to offer?? They are all crooks and corporate puppets bought and paid for and until we the people wake up and stop the political coruption its just going to get worse no mater who is President!!! And now for the rest of the store,, wait  and see what happens after the election. Good day!!!

by WHYNOTBITE on August 2, 2012
I watched the video. Based on your request i am telling you, Yes you are losing it (It sounds a bit mean and i didnt want to tell it like that, but since you asked - whatever floats your boat, being a liberal and all that)

Mitt Romney could have run a campaign based on his accomplishments in MA - Obamneycare for instance

Mitt Romney could have run a campaign based on how he turned 1.3 Bn taxpayer funds to 100 Mn at SLC Olympics

Mitt Romney could have run a campaign based on his successful job creation in China and India

Mitt Romney could have run a campaign based on how beautiful Rafalca is, and how American Dressage is.

Instead, twisting President's words is the best he has?

by PGXCOUPLE on August 2, 2012
Oh... I forgot to mention how Obama loves small business
http://bit.ly/LPqPlJ 

Please check out this video and tell me I'm losing it for wanting this guy out of the White House.

by WHYNOTBITE on August 2, 2012
@Stonemane: Well the Israelis are culturally superior, but he probably should not have said that since saying anything anti-Palestine gets the libs panties in a wad.

Well, Israelis do not think so. They do not like people who claim they are culturally superior

In a related note, Obama released a statement saying the Israelis did not build their culture on their own - they had help from the Ottomans, the Byzantines, the Persians, and the Romans.

If twisting a President's words is the best platform that the Republicans can run on, i think we are in pretty good shape.

by PGXCOUPLE on August 2, 2012
Hey everyone, I appreciate your comments on my comment (by the way, I am the male part of PGX). First I need to clarify a few things. I will start by indicating I have the deepest respect for this nation that welcomed me a my family when things were tough in my own country. I may criticize certain aspects of its government and how things are run, but it does not imply I am angry.

Second, I used to be a registered Republican, not because I believe in their political philosophy, but mostly because their way benefited my family the most. During the GW Bush period, I lost any interest to continue in this party because their leaders really made me angry. On the other hand, I can't support Democratic leaders because they are the same and worse. Starting with Bill Clinton who made a joke out of the White House to Obama who made a joke about everyone's money - and thinks he can continue taking our money to fund his bullshit.

@Sandy - don't be angry at me for expressing my opinion. The current President made a big deal out of his citizenship status by hiding it - to me, if you have something to hide, it probably stinks. He not only made every possible effort to hide his origin, but also his middle name, his family's religion and God knows what else. Sorry Sandy, I can tell from experience in business when people try to hide something it's because it is bad.

@Sport - we all know that polls are manipulated to express what is convenient for a particular party. I have to agree that Mitt is not Mr. Personality, but if you think Obama is likeable I can introduce you to several families who lost their homes in South Florida (Hispanic, Non-Hispanic, etc) who will love to find a dozen proper adjectives for Obama that will not be equivalent to 'likeable'.

@Stone - take Obama for a few beers and golfing, but please don't let him back in the White House!

@Unique - you have to be kidding me right? The President of the USA with his cock hanging out under the President's desk while Monica Blowinsky was doing her job? Does that sound acceptable to you? Just like my previous comment, if you like Bill's smily character, take him out to dinner but don't call him a nice President please. If you had traveled around the world during Bill's period you would have heard everyone saying - what an embarrassment to his nation! Something else, everytime someone picks on Obama, people tend to respond with GW Bush? As the leader of my company, everything I do is my responsibility - I do not blame my mistakes on the previous leader. Yes, Bush fucked up! I agree - one reason I am not a Republican anymore. Now, repeat after me, 'Yes, Obama fucked up too'

@Mojo - Yes these people make me nauseous too, except for Sarah, I would definitely like to take her for a few beers. But again, they are history. We are talking about Obama being likeable right?

Finally, I get nauseous every time I hear about politicians, not only in the United States, but everywhere. I stopped voting in my own country because, like in the USA, the candidates don't even come close to my expectations of a real leader. So, don't hate me for expressing my opinions, I have had wonderful friends who think they are Democrats and wonderful friends who think they are Republicans, and the sex is still great :-)


Hugs to everyone - Peace (and Sex)







by STONEMANE on August 2, 2012
Well the Israelis are culturally superior, but he probably should not have said that since saying anything anti-Palestine gets the libs panties in a wad.

In a related note, Obama released a statement saying the Israelis did not build their culture on their own - they had help from the Ottomans, the Byzantines, the Persians, and the Romans.

by WHYNOTBITE on August 2, 2012
On Monday, i woke up and realized that Israelis are culturally superior and hence their economy is better
On Tuesday, people told me, let us not talk about Palestinian economy so i said i didnt say what i said on Monday
On Wednesday, i woke up again ( i do atleast this very well) and metup with some of my supporters. Then realized that maybe there was something to what i said on Monday.

Let me explain.

I am from MA and have always wondered why places like Alabama or Mississippi are like what they are compared to MA or NY.

It is the culture. Culture explains everything.


by WHYNOTBITE on July 30, 2012

In case folks have not noticed, Willard has added one more reason to become the President.

He has brought unity to Palestinians and Israelis!!!. Let me explain.

Mitt woke up on the first day of his trip to Israel and had this epiphany that Palestinian per capita GDP is lower than that of Israel's. Naturally, his smarts came into play and he inferred that it is the "culture that makes the difference".

ahem. So if a group of people are richer than the other, it is because one of them is culturally inferior to the other. hmmm.

Palestinians are outraged at this racist remark that they are culturally inferior. Israelis are outraged that Romney seems to be going with a stereotype of "Jews and money". Also, Israelis are not very fond of people who ascrible superiority to one group of people - they have historical reasons for that.

Even Yitzhak Shamir (or Gold Meir or Bibi) to my knowledge has never claimed cultural superiority to Palestinians. Way to go, Willard.


by MOJO911 on July 30, 2012

PGX IS AS DELUSIONAL AS THE REST OF THE RIGHT AND UPTIGHT.
FOX NEWS IS IN SUCH DENIAL THAT THEY STILL HAVE SARAH PAILIN AS A
POLITICAL ANALYST "REALLY"?
DICK CHENEY SURFACED FROM HIS CAVE AND NOT ONLY ENDORSED ROMNEY
BUT STATED THAT JOHN MCCAINS APPOINTMENT OF PAILIN WAS WRONG.
THE RIGHT STILL HOLDS MCCAIN IN HIGH REGARD EVEN THOUGH HE WAS
READY TO PUT THAT BIMBO IN THE VP SEAT.
HOW SCARY IS THAT.
AND SPEAKING OF CHENEY, HAS ANYONE SEEN GWB,OR CONDALEEZA RICE,
OR DONALD RUMSFELD??? HAVEN'T HEARD FROM THEM IN THE LAST 4 YEARS
NOT ONE INTERVIEW,NOT ONE POLITICAL OPINION,NEVER SEE THEM ON FOX.
AND YES I DO WATCH FOX ONLY BECAUSE IT IS FUNNIER THAN COMEDY CENTRAL.
IS THERE A NEWS MEDIA OUT THERE THAT HAS THE COJONES TO CALL THESE
LOSERS OUT TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
MAY WANT ANSWERED.
MITT,CHIP,BIFF ANY OF THESE NAMES COULD APPLY TO THIS ELITIST ROBOT.
LOVE THE REPUBLICANS OUT THERE THAT ARE LIVING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK
OR ON GOVT HELP,OR ON MEDICAID OR MEDICARE AND CONSIDER THEMSELVES
PART OF THE 1%.
THE JOB CREATORS ARE CREAING JOBS OVERSEAS.
IF OBAMA IS A SOCIALIST HE IS A REALLY BAD ONE.


by UNIQUEEMMY2 on July 28, 2012
I usually stay out of this on here, because that is not what we're here for...but I can't let that go...

PGX saying "worst pres in history next to Bill Clinton" REALLY?! Clinton? I'll give you Carter all day, but the last time this country was even close to being ran correctly was when Cinton was in office, you know the good old days when politcians compromised and actually got things passed in congress and shit, I know I know CRAZY, but it did happen. GW Bush the the pres that belongs in that sentence.

I can only assume you're a republican, with the Obama and Clinton hate, so...Do you NOT realize how bad GW fucked up, he fucked up SOOOOO bad, that the moderates in this country voted for a black dude, with a muslim name over a white war hero...that's HOW BAD GW pissed everyone off. He set the GOP back 20 yrs with moderates...

Anyway, like I said...you get Carter, and you can even have Obama, he's not a prize at all, but you can't have Clinton, he may have been a horn dog (like we all are) but he did a decent job at being Pres.

by WYLDNXTC on July 27, 2012
Even if I were a Republican, I wouldn't be able to stand Romney right now. Everyone's sayin' release your tax returns and he isn't doing it. That's huge, in my eyes. And the question of whether he was involved with Bain after 1999 pretty much has been proven to show he was involved.

Bottom is....you can't trust him.

However, the O-haters will still vote for him just because they're...well...O-haters....lol.

by STONEMANE on July 27, 2012
I cant stand Obama policy-wise, but he seems like a cool guy to have a beer with or go golfing. The likeability gap will certainly hurt Romney in some way.

by SPORTFUCKINWIFE on July 27, 2012
PGX,

You're entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.

Every poll on the matter shows most Americans think Obama is more likeable than Romney.

by WHYNOTBITE on July 27, 2012
Agree with PGX about ruining the nation
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by PGXCOUPLE on July 27, 2012
Obama more likeable?? Are we talking about the same dude here?? The guy who just ruined a nation? The guy who traveled abroad to beg for the Olympic Games and got ignored and humiliated? The guy who is not even US-born? The guy who used our money to fund bailouts for sorry American companies? The guy who thinks that taking money from the rich to give it to lazy democrats is a good thing?

Oh yeah! I like him sooo much. I can't wait to see him go in history as the most screwed up President of the USA (next to Bill Clinton). I can see the poster.. 'Obama....never again'

And please, don't give me that BS about it all being GW Bush's fault. That's as lame an excuse as single guys who have a couple profile and say their wife is not playing for now. Explicit image available, join sdc.com to view

by WHYNOTBITE on July 27, 2012
People who criticize me for failing in my charm offensive is looking at the glass half empty. Agreed i didnt charm anyone, but i got the offensive part, didnt i?

by WHYNOTBITE on July 27, 2012
I am having a whale of a time teasing some Republican friends who live in London. They all have suddenly converted to being libertarians. Oh yeah, like we havent heard that excuse before.

There is debate in parts of the British press on whether Mitt is better or worse than Sarah Palin when it comes to foreign policy.

It will also be interesting to see what happens in Israel. Bibi's snub of Mitt Romney was totally uncalled for, but in his defense what is he supposed to do when Mitt claims everlasting friendship and they barely know each other.

by WHYNOTBITE on July 26, 2012

Vote for me for my foreign policy acumen.

Look what I achieved in one day abroad. The Times of London reported "Mitt Romney casts doubt on London 2012 preparations"

British Prime Minister insulted the headquarters of my religion - "We are holding an Olympic Games in one of the busiest, most active, bustling cities anywhere in the world. Of course it's easier if you hold an Olympic Games in the middle of nowhere"

Boris Johnson talked about me in front of 60,000 people in Hyde park (some people say mocked - all publicity is good publicity is what i say)

I revealed a secret meeting with MI6, that was not to be revealed. I met this fellow who is their opposition leader and forgot his name. That is where my smarts came in handy - i called him "Mr Leader". The fellow's gratitude for me condescending to talk to him was amazing to see.

Next i am off to Israel, to meet my old friend Bibi. See what he said about me recently
“I remember him [Romney] for sure, but I don’t think we had any particular connections, I knew him and he knew me, I suppose.”

This is what i meant when i claimed “Israel’s current prime minister is not just a friend, he’s an old friend”. Just a friend. The old was referring to Bibi being old, not the friendship.

Why does everybody like me?


by SPORTFUCKINWIFE on July 26, 2012
Romney goes to the UK for a good will trip and ends up pissing off the whole country?


by SPORTFUCKINWIFE on July 26, 2012
Sens,

I don't care who approved the DeepWater Horizon, the point is that the more oil wells in the US or pipe s carrying oil through the US, the more danger there is of oil spills in the US.

All things being equal, I much rather having possible oil spills in China than in the US.  I would hate to have oil drilling anywhere near where I live.  I am sure there are lots of people in the middle of the country who feel the same way.

Now, obviously, oil pipe s and oil drilling produce jobs, which also help the economy, but I have also lived long enough to know that every company or business interest that wants to put something filthy, dangerous or ugly anywhere in the country, greatly exagerates it's economic impact in order to sell the project.

So it is a balancing test, is the few thousand jobs that Keystone would represent, worth th possibility of ecological damage.  I don't have a fucking clue and neither do you.

So take a deep breath and just see how it plays out.  At the end of the day, who gives a shit.

The oil companies will be poisoning us while raping our wallets for the rest of our lives either way.  The things for which you get your panties in a wad are really fucking peculiar.

by STONEMANE on July 26, 2012
Agreed. Obama clearly has the personality & charm edge. That will surely get him a few thousand votes alone.

by TWOSCOMP on July 25, 2012
A Keystone pipe to the Texas gulf will most like make fuel prices increase in the Midwestern states.  At the moment Canada is forced to sell the oil for lower costs to refineries near the Midwest.  The pipe will open up the world market for the oil.  And then there will be no reason to sell it cheaper in the Midwest.

by SPORTFUCKINWIFE on July 25, 2012
Sens,

ANother question?

How does shipping Canadian oil through a pipe that happens to run through the United States increase US oil production?

Does Canadian Oil magically become American oil because it flows though the US?

I think you need to re-evaluate your premise, it seems you are getting your issues mixed up.

Here is an article for you to read.  Review it and get back to us when you are not hysterical and are ready to understand two simple points:

1. Moving Canadian oil thorugh a pipe in the US, does not increase US Production.

2. Americans do not buy "US harvested oil" at a discount.  A barrel of US crude costs the exact same amount of money than a barrel of Saudi crude.

The only difference is that we get more jobs from the domestic production, not cheaper oil.

http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/aswift/transcanadas_southern_keystone.html

by SPORTFUCKINWIFE on July 25, 2012
Sens,

Keystone is either a good idea or it is not.  If there are ecological factors that have to be studied, why should he approve it before he is satisfied it is in the best interest of the US, regardless of how much production is being lost?

It's not like the oil is not going to go to market because we don't run it down the Keystone.  The oil will still go to market and it will either bring down prices or not.

The only thing being lost here is the jobs to build and operate the pipe .  That is what has to be balanced with the ecological dangers, not the oil itself which will reach the market through a different method.

You act like just because that oil would be shipped through the US, it becomes our oil.  That is the same dumbass reasoning that made people like you support the Iraq war, thinking that if we invaded, it would suddenly become our oil.  Don't you people ever learn.


I bet when they approved the application for the Deep Water Horizon, those approving it were also quite impressed with the expected production numbers.

Don't you not now agree maybe it would have been a good idea to study the safety issues further?

by ICARUS88 on July 25, 2012
 Of course, it's the Kochs who were to profit from the Keystone pipe .

FWIW: "An independent study conducted by the Cornell ILR Global Labor Institute reports that the crude oil routed to the Gulf Coast will end up being exported to Asia, and not contribute to energy independence or national security" (wikipedia)

by ICARUS88 on July 25, 2012
 Loyola? That hack?

http://rightweb.irc-on .org/profile/Loyola_Mario/

How gullible can the Faux crowd be?

by ICARUS88 on July 25, 2012
 As for Romney's accomplishments, other than being the origin of Obamacare, has he done anything?

by ICARUS88 on July 25, 2012
 If you count the tax shelters and money easily sent to fiscal paradises, US corps are amongst the lowest taxed of any nation.

But who needs facts if you watch Faux "News"? According to them, Obama's a socialist or a communist, when in most countries he'd be clearly a center-right politician. But then again, the GOP is so batshit insane that even the DNC seems an extreme.

The GOP is so nuts that today, Nixon would be a left-wing Democrat. Go figure.

by NOTALLTALK on July 25, 2012
Was there really an Obama accomplishment blog? Couldn't have been very long. His getting elected took a perfect storm of events and a purposely blind media. What accomplishments did he have before he ran for office? Did the list include nearly doubling our national debt and the largest welfare roles since 1960? Do we have any allies left who can trust us?

There is no other country in the world that purposely cripples it's own domestic energy sources like the current administration does. That is lost jobs and tax revenue as well as more dependence on the likes of Iran or Venezuela for our oil. We already have the highest corporate taxes in the world and that is one of the main reasons the US is losing it's edge against foreign competition.

If all you can add to this blog is a short crude statement without any critical thinking involved in either direction then you probably should stay home on election day.

btw, Romney was not even in my top 2-3 choices for president but at this time he is not my last choice.

by SPORTFUCKINWIFE on July 25, 2012
Hey BTW, Texan, is that a father and son from pic one to two, I remember you claiming pic one was taken just a few years ago.

You putting Daddy's pic on #2 just to honor the old guy?

by SPORTFUCKINWIFE on July 25, 2012
"He meant and he said it" say's the ignorant log hauler, cause Rush told me so.

I suppose normal rules of grammar and oratory are meaningless when they contradict the assertion of the Holy Oxycodone Popping Cherub.

by TEXAN on July 24, 2012
 Now the Dumbass wants us to think he didn't mean what he meant.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0yK5NakN2o 

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by NIPPY6781 on July 24, 2012
Romneys haircut alone scares the shit outta me.

by SEXYSEX on July 24, 2012
Voting for Obama means :
1. You flunked math in grade school, high school and college
2. You too have only endorsed the back of a check and never the front.
3. If you worked your way through college (and were not part of the lucky sperm club) you know YOU did the work and not HIM OR ANYONE ELSE
4. At current rate of spending we are dead in 2015. It woiuld take China, Germany and Japan to spend all of their money to bail us out then. Fat chance of that!
5. Rationed health care, months to get an appt with a Dr. and probably one who does not give a rip anymore  
6. You may still be able to "bear arms" but he'll control the bullets 
I could go on and on but it would only make me more neaseous

by LIFEISGOOD9 on July 24, 2012
WHY TALK ABOUT THIS ON THE WEBSITE  YOU KNOW YOU  NEVER  DISCUSS  POLITICS   OR RELIGION  

by STONEMANE on July 24, 2012
Because a lame duck socialist is way more scary (to me) than a flip-flopping rich guy who may not know the price of a gallon of milk. 

by LADULCEVIDA on July 24, 2012
He will create tax shelters for his rich friends off the backs of the middle class.

by SPORTFUCKINWIFE on July 24, 2012
Blown,

I don't think it is as bad as all that son.

But just in case, I am looking for a really good shopping cart and some comfortable shoes.

by EUROMEXCOUPLE on July 24, 2012
Mitt caused havoc in Massachusetts, outsourced labor, destroyed their budget, and somehow, we are to vote for this out of touch Regan wannabe?

The ONLY reason you vote for Mitt is that he is a member of your political party, and he is white. Otherwise, he is totally unqualified.

No way here, Romney has no idea of the typical American's life. Voting party is BS.


by SPORTFUCKINWIFE on July 23, 2012
Because we should live in a country where we all get to wear magic underwear!

by WHYNOTBITE on July 23, 2012
I am Mitt Romney and I saved the Olympics.

They were in a bad shape. I got 1.3 Billion of tax payer money and turned a 100 Million profit.
 
Now you must be thinking what is the big deal in that - there are many wall street investment advisors who can do the same for me. But ask yourself this question - Do they have the cajones to run on that record to become the President?

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